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[Not] Recording Wendy // Nice to Meet (/Trust) You

Topics covered:

  1. Meeting and flaking on an interview with the fabulous Wendy Cohen.
  2. The intersection of on and offline establishment of trust and how one works off the other.

Meet Wendy Cohen, the interviewee I neglected to record.

Like the technical genius that I am, I talked with Wendy Cohen of Participant Media and Screening Liberally for nearly an hour, and I did it all having forgotten to hit the record button.

We discussed our love for Jay Rosen, adoration for Larry Lessig, and talked about how she organized the first Screening Liberally event, organized around the film Thank You For Smoking, back in New York. We talked about her time as a community manager at the Huffington Post (she was their first), where she worked on increasing the volume of user participation and on-site chatter. We discussed her present role at Participant, where she has the same title but works in a capacity that is not focused strictly Internet community development. How does she keep up with the demands of a job that doesn’t necessarily have a consistent, set-in-stone job description? She says that she’s had great mentor and consistently reads up what’s being said about the subject online

Based on her contrasting experiences, I asked if an increase of tangible, face-to-face social capital better facilitates online action? Are you, Wendy Cohen, more willing to sign onto an Internet protest or fundraising campaign I am organizing than you were before we met face-to-face and only knew me via email? And if so, do you think that this is the case for most people

Wendy suggested that yes, she would be more interested in participating in some sort of online action that I initiate after having actually met me, but that the dynamics of getting to know people are becoming so much more multifaceted that it is becoming easier to feel like know know someone that you have never met face-to-face. Perhaps this is closing the gap between the need-to-meet-to-trust people and those who give/participate more freely than others.

Nice to meet (/trust) you.

We discussed Wendy’s efforts with Screening Liberally, a social event she co-created that organizes folks online to get together and watch socially liberal independent films offline. We discussed the conversation the meetings breed and bonding that face-to-face meetings facilitate. Screening Liberally stemmed from Drinking Liberally, a similarly structured event that Cohen had been attending for a few years. She also organizes Net Tuesdays in L.A., a NetSquared event that organizes in a similar way to the “Liberally” events (bringing folks face-to-face using Internet technologies), though it concentrates on non-profit and tech issues. Part of the bonus of both events is camaraderie and networking built around an issue as well as the educational component. The strengthening of trust, based wholly on meeting someone face-to-face, can be beneficial when eventually trying to mobilize someone to act online.

Internet-organizer communities continue to rhetorically treat the off and online as binaries — as if they don’t overlap each other as one: When I am my offline self, I am not my online self. When I am my online self, I am not my offline self. However, social transactions are based upon perceived loss and gain on the parts of each participant. For some, getting a person to act online may require little more than a compelling cause and an easy avenue for action. For others, it may require a level of trust unachievable by a call for action alone. In the past week, of the past ten people I have asked who have given money to a cause online in the past year, every one said that they are more likely to give to someone that they know. Even though my ask went out to friends and Internet associates alike, with the exception of one donor, every person who gave me money for a Point campaign aimed at helping my cousin who had lost her home in a fire, a seemingly compelling cause, is someone I have met, if only briefly, in person. Even Warren Buffett has been known to work to restore trust with his fellow company-folk by meeting with them face-to-face.

We chat, We vlog, We tweet.

While the ways with which we are able to get to know each other online are becoming more and more diversified in both their depth and distribution apparatuses, thus transforming the ways we build and assess trust, for some, the willingness to give time, money, or action is contingent on getting to know that the face on the other side of the screen indeed belongs to a human being. The Internet is special in its ability to accelerate the speed of our message, the mechanics of our campaigns, and the depth of our ability to organize. Meetings, connection, and person-to-person resonance, while absolutely possible for many to achieve online, is still a more-quickly absorbed process off. By adapting our off and online behaviors to embrace all tools — by focusing on building social capital in both spheres — we strengthen our leverage in both worlds, both as individuals and part of a greater social wholes, as well as leaders of movements architected in this digital world we’re finally starting to get a grasp of.

The next time you have time to do so, head on over to a gathering of the like (or differently) minded, be it at a Screening (or Drinking or Living) Liberally event, or a gathering of Net Tuesday organizers. While your online fundraising prowess might be in competition with rock stars like Beth Kanter (thanks to her suggestions for successful community maintenance and fundraising), it can’t hurt to connect with those who might potentially participate in a future something, if only they know who you were.

[Edit // 10:30 pm EST] Here, a few hours after posting this, I just came across this blog post. It discusses this study [doc]. While it doesn’t necessarily drive home my point, it does discuss the importance of offline shared experience, online connectivity, and to The Point’s point, fostering “a feeling of ’strength in numbers”:

There is great potential for the youth activists to build a Global Potential alumni network, one grounded in the offline shared experience of activism and action, on Facebook that will help”connect one another online and in person,…[fostering] a feeling of ’strength in numbers’ a common space in which to [feel] comfortable and supported in their activist work”.

For tomorrow: I’ll discuss the pros and cons of providing incentive for group participation, and take a look at what can happen when added incentive brings more participation than productivity.

For the comments: In your experience, how does face-to-face, offline networking and participation augment your online organization?

6 Responses to “[Not] Recording Wendy // Nice to Meet (/Trust) You”

  1.   links for 2008-07-23 by Kevin Bondelli’s Youth Vote Blog

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  2. Beth Kanter

    Your comments about offline/online intersections and giving to a cause are interesting to me. I’ve had the experience of people contributing to a cause who I did not know face-to-face. In some cases, I knew them “online” and had a relationship with them - either commenting on their blog or some sort of interaction. In other cases, the person was asked by someone who I had asked and again both people I had met offline and people I knew only from an online context.

    So, I think there may be other factors at play — and to consider than offline/online.

    Anyway, good reflection on this.

  3. Alex Steed

    Beth - I am so happy that you responded. Thanks for commenting.

    I look to you — and I point you out to people — as an example of someone who is a leader in leveraging all of the tools and techniques of online fundraising and action.

    Further, I definitely agree with your last statement - the one about there being more factors at play than the on and offline binary. I definitely think that the structure of an action, and how it is articulated and architected, is vital. In an edit I put into the post at the bottom of the page, I quoted a study that cited strength in numbers — one of the biggest selling points of The Point — to be a big leveraging point with regard to mobilizing youth activists.

    I also note and agree that, since the ways in which we communicate online are increasing, diversifying, and deepening, the demand for face-to-face interaction as a buy-in for social trust is changing as well.

    Though, the same way that it helps a website/blog entry to get an initial push on a social bookmarking site in order to move forward with gaining some sort of popularity there, sometimes in order to make an action compelling to those we don’t know, it can be helpful to get all of those on board that we do know. This helps to avoid bringing a bunch of traffic to the table, only to have them see that no one is yet supporting it, so why should they?

    I think in particular of young nonprofits who have approached me, noting, “We’re just starting up and we don’t yet have much of a reputation in the community.” Along with an arsenal of advice I can give about Twitter and adopting a persona online and reaching out to folks that way, and managing online communities, and reaching out, etc. I point out a tool as simple as meeting some folks face-to-face and convincing them that you’re an actual entity as a good starting point in order to get yourself in front of those who might be otherwise unconvinced.

    Twitter is a good tool for what it accomplishes. Shaking hands is a good tool for what it accomplishes. Used all-together, we’re talking about an organic representation of positive, proactive organization that happens in the two overlapping worlds.

    “In other cases, the person was asked by someone who I had asked and again both people I had met offline and people I knew only from an online context.”

    I think that this is an interesting approach.

  4. Alex Steed

    What I am ultimately trying to highlight, and I hope that I continue to refine my ability to do so, is that on and offline worlds are still talked about in many workshops, ideas sections, breakout groups, etc. as two worlds that are sort of related, but not yet wholly related. As we get much closer than ever before to a time where the over-lap is becoming less and less easy to isolate from the other, I urge that we stop looking at one as a way to do something on the other (a point a to b process) and instead suggest that we look at the process organically:

    The online organizes the offline: The offline influences the online: The online strengthens the offline [...] until Kingdom come. Or whatever.

  5. marguerite manteau-rao

    Alex, thanks for visiting La Marguerite. I responded.

    More importantly, I am very glad your comment there led me to your blog. You and I share an interest in social media and tools of interpersonal persuasion for crowds. Like you, I am a firm believer of the power of technology to mobilize and make things happen. Of course, like anything, one has to be careful to not forget to live ‘real lives’. This is a balance I need to find on a daily basis. Beware of those tweets, they are addictive!

    http://lamarguerite.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/who-should-blog-assembling-the-most-important-voices-in-environmentalism-today/

  6. Megan

    “The online organizes the offline: The offline influences the online: The online strengthens the offline [...] until Kingdom come. Or whatever.”

    I like it. I am in the process of trying to mobilize a new media/social media strategy at my “old” (almost 100-yrs) non-profit (CMMB: http://www.cmmb.org) and find it difficult at times to articulate the importance of online relationship building in understandable terms outside of offline/online binaries and traditional communication modes.

    FYI - You quoted my reading response above from a course project blog at The New School, thanks.

    Looking forward to reading more.

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